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scheming to make that happen. just go to facebook.com and let us know what you think. that is all the time we have left this evening. thanks for joining us. we'll see you back here tomorrow night. tonight, "on the record," is the establishment trying to knock out donald trump? right now three republican candidates left standing but is there a path to victory for number two or three? you will hear from laura ingraham allen west and former governor rick scott. right now, here is the frontrunner. >> we don't win anymore. as the a country at this we don't win anymore. countries are leaving our country to get their money. >> i'm disgustedvñ with it and i'm tired of seeing it, and there is no reason for it. it's just gross incompetence at the highest level. we have to bring our party together. we have to bring it together. we are going to start winning again. this country is going to start winning again. >> we are going to have such great deals. we are going to do so good
with trade. we are going to do so good on the border. we're going to win for the country. we're going to win, win, win, and we're not stopping. we are going to have great victories for our country. >> the "on the record" political panel is here from the hill a.b. stoddard and from the "boston globe" matt pfizer. is trump unbeatable to get that g.o.p. nomination. >> we are looking at two scenarios either donald trump gets the number of delegates he needs at the convention or he doesn't and it's chaos. you know, i don't think cruz is set up very well to go in with the nomination nor is john kasich. so i think it's -- it's either trump or chaos at this point. >> suppose there is a brokered conve[o doesn't get 1237 republican delegates, and goes to the convention, there is the chaos that matt describes. who gets it then? >> well, we tonight know. it would probably be more likely that it's kasich or cruz, someone that ran thisnl year. not mitt romney. but nobody there literally going hour to hour on this plan, keeping hope alive that they
can stop him and until and unless he gets the 1237, they will make these plans. if he gets up around 1200 maybe they scratch their plans and think about something else. this is a party that is so broken and so dead it believes it has nothing left to lose. >> here is what donald trump says that what will happen in the event there is a brokered convention. >> i think we will win before getting to the convention, but i can tell you if we didn't, and if we are 20 votes short or if we're, you know, a hundred short and somebody else is at 500 or 400, because we are way ahead of everybody, i don't think you can say that we don't get it automatically. i think you would have riots. i think you would have riots. >> matt, thinking of riots, if i use the expression i would be talking about great passion and everybody -- people would be yelling and screaming. what do you think about his
z riots on the street or passion? >> well, i think the streets could be blocked. i think his supporters are very passionate. i think they would show up. >> so you think riots on the street is what he is talking about? >> yeah, potentially. his supporters would flood all across the country interest to protest if is he robbed of the nomination. that's a possibility at this point. the battery is looking at all these different match chin machinations to stop him. >> riots on the street. >> very bad things after he used the word riot. >> panel, if you will stick around. and viewers, now is your chance to vote at home on twitter. will the g.o.p. establishment embrace donald trump tweet yes or no using #greta? we will show you your live twitter vote throughout the show. and donald trump gapping a firmer grip on the coveted republican nomination doesn't have it all but getting further ahead.
as the trump train rolls on, what is the strategy of the remaining two candidates. >> we are going to go all the way to cleveland and secure the republican nomination. >> enough with the washington -- enough with the deception, with using government to benefit the >> today my campaign is suspended. the fact that i have each come this far is evidence of how special america truly is. >> we're going to go forward, and we're going to win. more importantly we are going to win for the country. we are going to win, win, win. >> we have got one more tripn÷io around ohio this coming fall where we will beat hillary clinton and i will become the president of the united states. >> john roberts is live in miami with a look at what's next in the wild g.o.p. race. john, what is the plan for governor kasich and senator ted cruz? >> kasich was the only one on the campaign trail today and head to do pennsylvania. they will all be headed out
west the next few daysf because the next big ontest is arizona winner-take-all state 58 delegates. contest in utah worth about 40. donald trump will be joining them as well. he would certainly like to put those in the win column. as you have been talking about, greta, a couple minutes ago, the big talk is whether or not we are headed for contested convention and whether or not one of the candidates would only be cruz or trump can get to 1237 delegates before the convention in july. john kasich is aggressively pursuing that strategy making no about it. there is no mathematical way that he can attract the number of delegates need to do be the nominee going into the convention. is he trying to slog it out and bring as many as can he to a contested convention and hope that a lot of these delegates after they get released either after depending on the rules state by state released after the first ballot or second some states require four that the bulk of the establishment vote will come over to him
and push him over the top. donald trump, as you mentioned just a moment ago is rejecketting that scenario, suggesting if he were to go in with a plurality not necessarily a majority of the: delegates and the party decided i don't know, maybe we are going to give it to somebody else. even if it were under the rules of the party that would probably be a very bad thing and you would see his supporters react badly to that. ted cruz, for his part, is in support of a contested convention. though he would like to go in with a majority of delegates. because if donald trump manages to outstrip him in terms of the delegate count before july, that would be ted cruz's only path to the nomination. keep in mind, there is a big difference between a contested convention and a brokered convention. those words kind of used interchangeably but they are completely different things. a brokered convention is when the party bosses get together in theqé proverbial smoke-filled room and pick the nominee that they think would have the best chance to win. if it's the contested convention it's the delegates that vote.
some of the delegates interesting. donald trump preparing for this possibility because his manager, who is a resident of new hampshire, is one of trump's 11 regular delegates from the state of new hampshire. maybe you throw paul ryan in at the very end. republican rules would have to change. you have to have a majority of the delegates in eight contests before your name can be put in nomination. with a stroke of the pen, the republican rules committee could change those rules and say, greta, doing anything tonight? want your name put in the nomination? we will see how this goes. it will be very interesting. very exciting, and it could be and trump doesn't want this to happen, but it could be that for the first time since 1976, a convention actually is more than just a big commercial. greta? >> anyway, john, thank you. >> senator marco rubio putting an end to his white house bid after his disappointing loss in his
home state of florida. >> while it is not god's plan that i be president in 2016 or maybe ever, and while today my campaign is suspended. >> no. >> the fact that i have even come this far is evidence of how truly special america is and all the reason more why we must do all we can to ensure that this nationé remains a special place. >> with senator rubio out of the race, who will his supporters now support, south carolina nikki haley now says she supports senator ted cruz. what about the rest of senator rubio's backers? a.b., i want to get back to one last thing that john roberts said. in the event that john as john roberts said trump gets shy of 137. and they give to somebody else. i don't think there will be riots in the street but i don't think donald trump's voters are going to show up and support who the party
elders should down their throat. >> that's the high risk calculation here. if you dump trump, you dump all the new voters that he has brought tof the party and the ones in the party who are sick of the party and want a new one. >> you can say it's not a rational plan, it's a desperate plan. it is certainly a plan right now. that is john was also saying it's all -- the party chooses the nominee. people think the voters choose the nominee but the party -- everything that they are talking about would be permitted by the rules. >> if they trounce all over the voters, the republican party is in bigger trouble. >> the republican party has decided it's so far gone it has nothing left to lose itñzhñ is literally on its death bed. they would risk a hillary victory losing all those trump voters in order to stop him. >> john, governor john kasich has a new ad out. he has a difference of approach to the campaign. let's watch his ad. >> john kasich never gives up. when he lost his parents to
a drunk driver, he had the on.h to carry some said he couldn't balance the federal budget, but kasich stunned washington. they said he couldn't save ohio from an $8 billion short fall, but kasich did. they say our best days are behind us, america never give up. >> right elites are, i don't know, trying to make sure that donald trump doesn't get the nomination, youy5y got governor kasich with this nice ad out but he has only won one state, ohio. if he won everything, he still wouldn't have the number 1237. >> he has a bio ad. we have been running a campaign for a year now. presumably everybody should know who john kasich is he does have a moment after winning his first state to reintroduce himself in some ways. there is no pathway for him to become the nominee heading into the convention. >> unless we have that brokered back -- he is not going to get the votes in november. i really think if you take it away from donald trump,
when his supporters think he is entitled to it, they are not voting in november. >> yeah, it's going to be chaos, i think. for the republicans going forward. >> all right, a.b., matt, stick around. donald trump, feeling the love in florida. trump picking up all 99 g.o.p. delegates with his overwhelming win. >> to win the states that we have won and to win by the margins and especially, look, this is my second home, florida, to win by that kind of a number is incredible. [cheers and applause] record setting. >> now, donald trump is setting his sights on locking up the nomination. and, if that happens, swing state florida will be front and center again in the general election this november. and today florida governor rick perry made a surprise endorsement just one day after trump's big wish in hisbb states. governor rick scott goes "on the record." good evening, sir. good evening. we had exciting day yesterday. i think it's time to coalesce and start thinking about winning in november.
we have got to win this in noe. >> obviously rick scott andáy not rick perry. sorry, governor. moving through fast through this. florida never disappoints in terms of making exciting voting place. we have been too"s exciting at times. why did you wait until today to endorse donald trump? >> greta, goes back to my race in 2010. the party leaders all said get out of the race. they didn't want me in the race. i was the business outsider, never having run for office before. i trusted the voters. i decide to do wait until after my primary because i listen to do our voters. but i do believe it's time to start thinking about november. we have got to beat hillary clinton. woe can't have more barack obama. donald trump is clearly the will of the voters. we need to listen to them. coalesce behind him. we have had a tough primary. a lot of great candidates, some from florida. friends of mine, governor. he is going to end up with enough delegates or being pretty close. we can't let -- think about this, hike you were just saying, greta, if we sit
here and say we are going to let the party leaders take this away from somebody that either has the votes or is close to it, they are not going to show up in november. we can't do that we have got to listen to the voters. they said in 2010 if i won the primary we wouldn't do well here. i won the primary. we did extremely well in our house and our senate and we have turned our state around. a million jobs paid off debt. we are the> growing rift in the party between the trump supporters and i don't know what to call it party elites or whatever it is that doesn't like the republican party. >> i'm going to talk to everybody i can, just hike i talk to my daughters today and i'm going to say let's think about what we want. we need to win in november. we need to think about our jobs. we need to think about our future. the only way we're going to do this is if we coalesce now, quit this fighting. quit the republican on republican violence and say
let's pick donald trump, listen to the voters. and get behind him. i'm going to go out there every day i can now and help coalesce republican voters to win in november. >> would this be -- would you call for governor kasich and senator cruz to get out as to facilitate that healing? >> you know, greta, i didn't like people asking me to get out of a race so i wouldn't do that. what i will say to republican voters, let's listen to the voters. to all the party leaders, let's listen to the voters. we have had all these they chose a business person. they chose an outsider. they didn't pick an insider. let's listen to them and follow them. >> would donald trump be a good president in your opinion? >> i think he would. i think that he is going to focus on, i think, three important things. clearly focus on jobs. look, barack obama is not focused on jobs. we turned our state around. we are still dealing with the federal government. turned around turn around
the other states. focus on rebuilding our military. i think he dual a good job of ticking justices that understand they are the judiciary north the legislative branch. something i have done in my state. i have picked 240 judges that understand the three branches of government. >> would you like a role in a trump administration? >> you know, i like my job now but i would like a federal government that's easier to work with. the federal government they try to tell me how to do my job every day. pretty much every agency is dealing with federal overreach had how to get more jobs in my state. biggest issue of all. >> governor, thank you for joining, thank you, sir. >> have a great night. >> donald trump and secretary clinton continue to put space between themselves and next closest opponents. as they do both trump and clinton are setting their sites on each other. trump just releasing this ad on his
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to be able to defend our country, not elm pair was it. >> we should be breaking down barriers, not building walls. to be great, we can't be small, we can't lose what made america great in the firstj% place. we when we hear a candidate for president calling for rounding
governor kasich against the senator bernie sanders. >> right. >> and as we look at this. we could have two convention fights depending on what happens with the fbi. this is obviously time for both of them. they want to -- they believe they are going to face each other and they want to get going and want to shake off sanders and cruz and kasich and all this media narrative about what's nipping at their ankles and they want to get to it. trump is wise to be prepared for very shoe rude assault from the clinton political machine. she wise to be prepared for themm unexpected. very difficult to run gepsz donald trump. they both really have to get going. i think we can expect nothing but the worst. >> it's going to be bloody. >> i think this allows them to try to mobile blizzard their parties and try to unify their parties around their common enemies. whereas both the democrats and the republicans have had
very divisive primary process and they are trying to unify. >> i think that secretary clinton has little bit more of a problem because the expectation is that she is going to move towards the center once she buries senator sanders so to speak. as long as he is in the race, she has got to stay far out to the left making herself more subject to attacks by donald trump. >> she is not as comfortable with that, i think. i think she is much more comfort be in a position that she spent most of her life in which is fighting with republicans. she is trying to move toward that and trump is the antagonist in that. it's more comfortable for her. >> she is going to have to stay on the bernie sanders page on trade. she has seen bernie supporters who have single issue and it's trade. they will vote for trump in the fall and not for hillary if she doesn't stay left on trade. that's what she sees in trump's message. trump doesn't have a lot of policy message. except for trade and borders. and but she has seen the power of that message and the same with bernie sanders the way is he connecting on the issue of trade. i doubt if she goes back to the center on stage.
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life set. laura ingraham good to see you. >> thank you. >> what do you make of the republican party or republican elites or people who don't like donald trump. >> i worked for president reagan. in the white house we had people like pat buchanan, jim baker. we had peggy noonan. we had don regan. we had people. >> laura ingraham. >> i was a kid. people from all wings of the party. all sections of the party. and it worked. and why can't that happen again? and for everyone, i'm saying he is -- trump is reagan. no, i'm saying, you put together the coalition that you have that can win the day. i know a lot of people like cruz is the best or rubio should have been in t. or jeb. i get that. perfect is the enemy good at some point. i think conservatism should$o] be about making people's lives better. liberty, the constitution and yet we have disagreements.
did not want on his ticket because the establishment was verym unhappy. they were angry. they put together a great team that moved forward. >> are they fighting trump, some of the republicans because they are sort of -- it hurts them personally if they become president? is there money involved and special interests? lobbyists? >> people have different. people have different self-interests. someone who is ideological series of differences. i think in the end we have to ask ourselves. if we are conservatives, we have to say to ourselves, okay, we did this set of policies for the past 15 years. immigration, trade, foreign policy, we lost in 2006 we lost in 2008, we lost in 2012. we had the tea party revolution, which was the most exciting thing to happen since 2004 when bush won. what do we do now? dock we keep doing the same policies that got us in a big hole or do we decide we are going to move forward with a new coalition, with better trade deals, not no
trade, not protectionism but better trade deals smarter more pragmatic. or immigration that betters the lives of every day people. i think the sky is the limit for the republican party. not if everybody goes back in their corner and says you know trump said this and rubio did this and kasich, you know, had some goofy saying last night. it doesn't matter. what matters is this group of cruz and trump together, the conservatives and the populist have a super majority, greta, together. that's winning. so put that together and get some of the establishment voices in as well. >> laura, nice to see you. >> good to see you. >> and does donald trump have a foreign policy advisor in mind? colonel allen west is standing by to tell us. these next. hi i'm kristie and i'm jess and we are the bug chicks. we are a nano-business. windows 10 really helps us get the word out about how awesome bugs are. kids learn to be brave and curious and all kids speak the language of bug.
donald trump's campaign insisted if elected he will be surrounded by the best people and have the best advisors. he has kept quiet on who those people may be that is until now. trump has asked who he consults on foreign policy. i'm speaking with my for myself number one because i have said a lot of things. i know what i'm doing and i listen to a lot of people. i talk to a lot of people. and tronth i will tell you hot people are i speak to a lot of people. my primary consultant is myself and i have a good instinct for this.
>> who should donald trump bring on to advise him on foreign policy? former florida congressman allen west goes "on the record." good evening, sir. >> good evening, greta. how are you? >> i'm colonel, if you were talking to donald trump as a candidate and he wanted to find out who you thought he should bring on to discuss to learn things or to just even as a sounding board on matters like isis, who would you recommend? >> well, first of all, i would teach him and tell him about a maxim that my father you never read your own press and drink your own tub water. when i look what is happening across the globe you have to be very serious and not sit back and be quite flippant which goes along with the statement he made two debates ago the military did l. do whatever i tell them. you go and have many individuals out there who have dealt foreign policy wise. i think condoleezza rice would be the first person that donald trump should call. she has an incredible track record being at the national security agency as the advisor there and also as
secretary of state. i think that's the first personal that you would want to deal with i would look at someone such as walid phares that you have there on fox who could clearly articulate some of the issues that you see in the middle east" and talk to you about strategies and foreign policy. i would sit down and tell donald trump you have to understand the four elements of national power and how do you bring those elements together? i would sit down with gordon chang an expert on china and north korea. these are people that i know pretty well and those are the types of folks that i have been talking to during the time that i was up there in congress and afterwards. >> you know, it's impossible, i think, to predict how someone is going to behave in the future. some things happen and people change and all that, you know, all the uncertainties in the world. sitting here tonight, do you think that donald trump would be a good leader in the area of foreign policy or not? >> well, right now, with the statement that he just made that you played that's very disconcerting to me. maybe some of the trump supporters will be sending me nasty tweets but i have to be very honest.
there are friends of mine that are out there in uniform. there are relatives of mine in uniform. we need to have people willing to sit down and listen to the right type of advice. we are suffering right now from a president of the united states of america who has not taken the counsel of general and other foreign policy experts. lock what the is happening with the iranian nuclear agreement. russia, ping and china the man made islands being build in the south china sea. we need to have people understand how do you build a team? even presidenth lincoln put together a team of rivals but they were people that he listened to their counsel. >> in the event÷c he is the nominating vice president for him what he should lúa for? >> i think you have to look for someone that balances you out. if donald trump is going to tout his experience in business, he has to understand that the most important role, the most important title of the president of the united states of america is commander and chief. and when you look at what we're doing in the decimation of our military capability and capacity across all branches of
service, when you look at all of these incredible hot tqijjá you have to have the someone though balance you in foreign policy. >> colonel west, thank you. always nice to see you, sir. >> pleasure, thank you for having me, greta. >> and president obama exercising his constitutional duty, making his supreme court pick. but there is a catch. that's straight ahead. the idea of a third party run has been thrown around. it may spell crisis for whom? we're going to tell you. that's coming up. and can you explain why you recommend synthetic over cedar?
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judge merrick garland become justice merrick garland. shannon bream is here. he has got to get a hearing why the u.s. senate is ghag to happen. >> probably not. unless there is dramatic change of heart. they together decided and sent a letter that they would not possibly consider anyone and they say now that they have merrick garland which the president will argue and many people on both sides of the aisle will argue is very qualified kind of guy they say it doesn't matter about the person they just aren't going to move forward. >> is there any way he becomes justice. >> there is really very arcane possibility first of all if you convince anyone to hold a hearing. i doubt if that's going to happen. what if hillary clinton gets elected in the fall, the president doesn't withdraw the nomination and the g.o.p. thinks there this might be a better bet for us to waiting to see who hillary clinton nominates. it's a long shot but it could happen. >> he is currently the chief judge of the circuit of appeals? >> very fair and measured. one problem that conservatives have with him is his record on the second
amendment and gun rights. council contrast that with replacing justiceç$ scalia full throated right of gun rights. they see that as a sticking point. >> it is a feeder court to the supreme court. >> it is. several of the current justices came from that court. chief justice john roberts and judge garland were very good friends on the d.c. circuit. they would work together again if he ever got a nomination and was confirmed. >> justice scalia was on the d.c. circuit. >> i believe justice ginsburg as well. >> two that came out thereof and justice roberts that's three. >> i want to say there might be one more but i'm forgetting. >> one of our viewers will fact check us, don't worry. >> they will. >> it's a.a.a. of:ñw scotus baseball. >> when he was confirmed for the u.s. court of appeals was there any opposition to him there was. >> 76 to 23. haggling over procedure more than it was about him. a number of republican senators voted yes for him. some of them are still in the senate.
orrin hatch was one of those steppedq to not confirm him. those words have been played a lot today. >> >> i think what they are saying this time around confirming somebody to one the appellate courts is much different than a lifetime commitment to the supreme court. >> that's a high of time commitment to the u.s. court of appeals which is a mini supreme court asoo many say. >> it's not one of the nine. that's what he would argue this time around different considerations. >> most presidents want to appoint someone younger so they can create some sort of legacy. he is 63 years old. >> which is why i had questions how serious this president was. ee ist, well respected. going to get a real chance at the court. i am not going to pick somebody a true legacy pick for me 30's and 40's. >> when your producer has to correct you. we missed one, do you know who it is? >> justice thomas. i thought maybe justice thomas. >> our executive producer
corrected me. >> he is smart. >> he is horrible. he is the one who told me we did miss one. >> thank you, justin. >> shannon, thank you. a possible third party run may spoil donald trump's white house run. we have new numbers next. don't forget to watch sean hannity tonight 10:00 p.m. talks to rnc chair reince priebus about the possibility of a contested or brokered hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle, the cow jumped over the moon... then quickly fell back to earth landing on the roof of a dutch colonial. luckily geico recently helped the residents with homeowners insurance. they were able to get the roof repaired like new. they later sold the cow because they had all become lactose intolerant. call geico and see how much you could save on homeowners insurance.
well, donald trump had a big, big night picking up ets the g.o.p.states.÷çqá"t)jrq nomination, trump may have some trouble come november in the general election. according to our fox news exit polls, if the race comes down to donald trump and secretary hillary clinton, about 40% of republicans who voted yesterday would consider a third party candidate.
and in the key swing state of ohio, the number is 44%. and it's a similar picture in the other states that voted yesterday. the "on the record" political panel is back from the hill a.b. stoddard and from the "bostonb viser. governing if donald trump gets pushed out his supporters will show up to vote for somebody else. some of the people who voted yesterday, republicans would vote for a third party against him. >> the never trumps are never ever. and they are not going to come around. just like his supporters won't come around if is he pushed out. the never trumps are never come around. and they want someone else. and they are wig republican party to find somebody else. they also believe is he going to get beaten badly by hillary clinton. i don't agree with them. i actually think he can beat hillary clinton. is he terrible general election candidate and can't win in november. >> matt, i think the pro-trumps similarly are not going to vote for anybody going to vote for anybody else but donald?$5
he is not on that ticket i don't see them showing up in november to vote for anybody else the republican party puts up at this point. >> that's right. i agree. i think that it makes it awfully difficult depending whether the pro-trumps can,s outweigh whether willing to vote for somebody else. the question is there is nobody else. i don't know that there will be anybody else running as a third party. the logistics are difficult. the political hurdles are difficult. i don't know that they have anywhere else to go. a lot of the people you talk to are not willing to vote for hillary clinton. so it's not as if those people. >> they will stay home. >> they will stay home. trump is bringing new people out that may offset some of the people. >> some of the people in the republican party so fiercely don't want hillary clinton that they may hold their nose and vote no matter what come november. they don't want the candidate. >> they may do a write-in, too. i talkedmqzéñ to some people thy vote for somebody else. >> there is three types. people who can be persuaded
to trump, never trump, and pro-trump. it's just a numbers game. if donald trump so drives up turnout for hillary clinton in the way that democrats hope, she wins, handily, and the people who are planning this convention fight believe he loses by 10 points. he brings in new voters and shec can't excite her coalition and her voters are appear they thick, he wins. apathetic. we don't]t know what's going to drive turnout on either side but those are the theories. >> do you think take public funds or continue to privately fund this. >> i think he will privately fund it a little bit. he has left open the possibility toward taking donations for the general election. >> if he gets. >> is he already taking donations. >> is he taking donations. >> yeah. he is doing donations. >> doing fundraisers and raising money for general election fight. he has put very little of his own money insofar, too. >> why didn't senator rubio, he won minnesota.
>> the complaint all along was that he never invested in a real ground operations and is he not donald trump so he couldn't get $2 billion in free air time to have a campaign, to field a campaign. he never had an early state. he never put a beach head anywhere and said i'm going to blow it out in south carolina or in new hampshire. he just limped along and never won. in looking back, people say if you don't invest in a ground operation and you don't plant a flag, and you don't have a place where you are definitely going to have a number one win, you're not going to survive. and it's interesting, also, the other point i wanted to make is that both rubio and cruz are very offended when people are picking between them but many, many voters i met in iowa and new hampshire were picking between them. a lot are going to cruz now. >> cruz was almost invisible last night. there is very little talk about him even today. >> yeah. the map hun -- math is not that great for cruz. >> not great for kasich, either. >> here we go, trump.
>> you think it's inevitable?t >> yeah. it's inevitable either he goes in the convention with a number of delegates. healthy share of unbound delegates, too, that are available that trump could use to get to 1237. >> a.b., matt, thank you both. >> brand new greta talk podcast just released. have you been watching that hit fx crime story the people versus o.j. simpson? you need to listen as i take a look back at the infamous murder trial almost 22 years later. download the newest episode to your phone using itunes, tune in, or stitcher. my off-the-record comment. i suspect some of you will not agree with me. actually, some of you might send me really mean emails or leave fasty facebook comments. that's next.
hurt the american people. let's"ó start with the supreme court and with the president. criticized have usingent obama for executive power, saying he acts beyond his constitutional authority. well, when it comes to the supreme court, the constitution says the president shall nominate justices to the supreme court. not may, but shall. and today he did. nominating federal judge merrick garland. while the constitution does not require the hold a hearing on the nomination, the senate should. and if the senate republicans don't like the president's chiss, they can just vote no. but, instead, senate republicans say they won't hold a hearing. so we citizens never hear from the nominee. that's a political game. and political games are petty. democrats do the same thing. but political games hurt the american people. and will go on until one side acts big and stops those games. this would be a good time to act big. hold those hearings. so that the next time something like this happens, we can look back at this moment in our history for guidance to do the right thing. and, i'm not without criticism of the president for being petty.
it was disgraceful he did not drive three miles to attend justice scalia's funeral. well, let's put all this behind us. let's start anew. give judge far land a hearing and if senate republicans don't like him, they can just vote no. but hold a hearing. that's my off-the-record comment tonight. and it's time for your campaign flash. hot off a big win in his home state of ohio, governor john kasich is back on the trail. governor kasich holding a town hall at university in the important swing state of pennsylvania. and, senator bernie sanders is looking west after disappointing night last night. senator sanders says he still sees a path to the democratic presidential nomination. senator sanders is taking aim at upcoming states like arizona, idaho, utah and washington right now secretary clinton has 1132 delegates to senator sanders 818 and that's tonight's campaign flash. live twitter results on your screen right now. will the g.o.p. establishment embrace donald trump? and here are the results. 50% say no, 50% yes.
that doesn't help us very much. half and half. that's all for now. see you again tomorrow night right here at 7:00 p.m. eastern. good night from washington, d.c. and go to my facebook page and like it and i will see you on gretawire. welcome to "red eye." i'm tom shillue. let's check in with tv's andy levy to see what exciting stories we will be discussing this evening. andy? >> thanks, tom. coming up on the big show, after wrapping upstates and delegates in tuesday's primary donald trump decides he is done with debate. we will have him on the phone to see how he will continue to get his message out. and pundits tell hillary clinton to smile more. and joe mackey and sam morrell butt heads on the hottest topics. if you laughed over butt heads, you